Saturday, July 11, 2026

BEFORE WE ARGUE ABOUT MARX, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAR?

BEFORE WE ARGUE ABOUT MARX, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAR?

America Keeps Debating Capitalism and Communism While Trillions Disappear Into the War Machine

By John-Michael Talboo

Turn on talk radio and eventually somebody will start arguing about capitalism and communism.

Capitalism works.

No, capitalism has failed.

Socialism is coming.

Communism killed millions.

That wasn't real communism.

This is crony capitalism.

That isn't real capitalism.

Everybody retreats to a corner, grabs their favorite dead economist and starts swinging.

I have a simpler question.

Hey, guys—is it working?

Seriously.

How's everybody doing?

According to the Federal Reserve's 2025 household survey, 63 percent of American adults said they could cover a hypothetical $400 emergency expense entirely with cash or its equivalent.

That means more than a third could not.

Four hundred dollars.

In one of the richest countries in human history.

And before somebody says, “Well, technically most Americans can cover $400,” fine.

Congratulations.

We have apparently lowered the economic victory line to four hundred fucking dollars.

Shouldn't people have thousands saved?

Tens of thousands?

Shouldn't decades of increased productivity, technological advancement, automation and national wealth have produced a population that is becoming more economically secure?

Instead, we have people one car repair, medical bill or missed paycheck away from panic.

So I started reading Marx.

There. I said it.

Not because I suddenly want a hammer and sickle tattooed across my forehead. Not because I have forgotten Stalin, Mao, political prisons, mass killing or the horrific things committed by governments calling themselves communist.

One innocent person murdered by a government is already too many for me.

I started reading Marx because somebody should probably read Marx before deciding everything Marx ever said was wrong.

And here's my conclusion so far:

Marx may have been a better diagnostician than physician.

Maybe the prescription was wrong.

Maybe attempts to apply the prescription produced some of the worst governments in modern history.

But that does not automatically mean the diagnosis was imaginary.

Capital accumulates.

Workers can become alienated from what they produce.

Economic power can become political power.

A person can spend a lifetime creating value and still feel as if the product of his own labor belongs to somebody else.

I make music.

I understand that last one more than I would like to.

But while capitalism and communism are screaming at each other across the room, I keep noticing something sitting between them.

War.

War.

War.

War.

War.

You fuckers keep forgetting war.

MAYBE IT WORKED FOR YOU

This is the part of the capitalism debate I think older Americans desperately need to understand.

Maybe capitalism worked for you.

I mean that.

Maybe you worked hard.

Maybe you bought a house.

Maybe you raised a family.

Maybe you saved money.

Maybe you built a retirement.

Maybe the system, with all its flaws, delivered enough of what it promised that you honestly believe the American dream is still alive.

Good.

I'm glad.

But here's the problem:

It being good for you does not prove it is good for them.

Young people aren't evaluating capitalism from your childhood.

They aren't buying houses at the prices you saw.

They aren't paying your rent.

They aren't looking at your grocery bill.

They aren't entering your job market.

They aren't starting adulthood with your ratio of wages to housing costs.

You can tell a 25-year-old that capitalism works because you bought a house at 25.

He's going to ask you to show him the house he can afford.

And that's not Marxism.

That's a fucking Zillow search.

Maybe we need to stop treating young people's anger as ideological contamination and start listening to what they're actually telling us.

They can't buy homes.

Many don't feel financially secure enough to have children.

They don't believe Social Security will necessarily provide the same security older generations expected.

They watch companies report enormous numbers while being told their own labor isn't worth enough to keep pace with the cost of living.

Then somebody who bought a house decades ago turns on the radio and says:

“Why are these kids interested in socialism?”

Maybe ask them.

Seriously.

Ask.

And then do the difficult part.

Shut the fuck up and listen.

Because your success under a system does not invalidate their failure under the same system at a different point in time.

Maybe you received the spoils.

Maybe what they inherited were the bills.

Your spoils have become their inherited failure.

That doesn't mean you personally did something wrong.

It doesn't mean every older American is wealthy.

It doesn't mean every young American is poor.

It means economic systems exist through time.

Conditions change.

Markets consolidate.

Industries disappear.

Technology changes labor.

Housing prices change.

Debt changes.

Government policy changes.

And the version of capitalism you experienced may not be the version arriving on your son's doorstep.

If your son tells you the American dream looks dead from where he's standing, you have two choices.

You can tell him he's lazy.

Or you can walk over and look through his fucking window.

That's why I appreciated hearing a conservative radio host recently asking why younger Americans are becoming more receptive to socialism instead of simply calling them stupid.

Why?

That's the question.

Not, “How do we make them shut up?”

Not, “Which communist country should we tell them to move to?”

Why?

Why is an ideology that older generations were taught to fear suddenly finding an audience among younger Americans?

Maybe they're all idiots.

That's one theory.

Or maybe they're responding to the economic conditions directly in front of their faces.

You don't have to agree with their solution to take their diagnosis seriously.

Funny.

That's almost exactly where I landed with Marx.

THE EIGHT-TRILLION-DOLLAR NUMBER ISN'T EVEN THE WHOLE RECEIPT

Brown University's Costs of War project estimates that America's post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and elsewhere have cost approximately $8 trillion.

Eight trillion dollars.

And even that number does not include all future interest costs on the money borrowed to fight those wars.

Brown also estimates that caring for post-9/11 veterans will cost another $2.2 trillion to $2.5 trillion by 2050, much of which has not yet been paid.

Stop for a second.

We're already talking about numbers so large that the human brain stops processing them.

A million seconds is about 11 and a half days.

A billion seconds is more than 31 years.

A trillion seconds is more than 31,000 years.

Now say “eight trillion dollars” again.

But here's the part that keeps bothering me.

That still isn't the whole war receipt.

The famous $8 trillion figure is an accounting of defined post-9/11 war and counterterrorism costs.

It is not a magical master spreadsheet containing every dollar America has spent on military aid, every proxy conflict, every weapons transfer, every military deployment, every operation and every new geopolitical confrontation through 2026.

Take Ukraine.

According to the federal government's own Ukraine oversight system, Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted from fiscal year 2022 through fiscal year 2024.

Additional funds were allocated through annual agency appropriations and other supplemental legislation.

Now, let's be accurate.

That does not mean somebody loaded $174.2 billion in cash onto a plane and handed it to Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The money covers different things.

Weapons.

Security assistance.

Replacing American weapons stocks.

American military activity in Europe.

Economic and humanitarian assistance.

Other costs associated with the U.S. response to the war.

Fine.

It's still money.

It's still resources.

It's still production capacity.

It's still political attention.

It's still part of the national ledger.

Now look at the Middle East.

Brown University's Costs of War project estimates that in the two years following October 7, 2023, the United States spent $21.7 billion in military aid to Israel.

Brown separately estimates another $9.65 billion to $12.07 billion for American military operations in Yemen and the wider region during that period.

Combined, Brown places those post-October 7 war costs at approximately $31.35 billion to $33.77 billion and counting.

And here's where people writing articles like this usually make a mistake.

They grab $8 trillion.

Then they grab Ukraine.

Then Israel.

Then Yemen.

Then the Pentagon budget.

Then nuclear weapons.

Then veterans.

Then intelligence.

They stack every scary number they can find and scream:

LOOK AT THE TOTAL!

I'm not going to do that.

Because some of these categories overlap.

Some figures measure appropriations.

Others measure obligations.

Others measure actual outlays.

Some include money spent inside the United States replacing weapons sent overseas.

Some cover different periods.

Some military costs are already embedded in broader Pentagon spending.

If I simply add every number together, somebody who understands federal budgeting can tear the argument apart in five minutes.

And they should.

If I'm going to criticize the war machine, I don't need to lie about it.

The real numbers are already fucking enormous.

WE SPENT MORE THAN $14 TRILLION AT THE PENTAGON AFTER AFGHANISTAN BEGAN

Brown University's Costs of War project reported that Pentagon spending totaled more than $14 trillion between the start of the Afghanistan war in 2001 and 2021, with researchers estimating that roughly one-third to one-half went to military contractors.

Again, don't add that $14 trillion directly to the $8 trillion.

There is overlap.

That's the point.

The American war budget is not one neat number.

It's a maze.

Pentagon base budgets.

War appropriations.

Emergency supplementals.

Military aid.

Weapons replacement.

Veterans' care.

Homeland security.

Interest on borrowed war money.

Nuclear weapons spending spread through the Department of Energy.

Intelligence programs.

Operations overseas.

Security assistance.

Contractors.

And now new military confrontations and new spending priorities are layered on top of old ones before we've finished paying the human and financial costs of the last wars.

Then there is China.

Brown University's Costs of War project estimated that the United States spent approximately $3.4 trillion between 2012 and 2024 on militarized rivalry with China.

Not a declared war with China.

Military competition.

Preparing.

Posturing.

Building.

Positioning.

Planning for a war everybody claims to hope never happens.

Maybe some of that spending prevented war.

That's a legitimate argument.

But if we're going to count the cost of the American military system, we have to acknowledge that preparing for wars costs trillions too.

In 2025, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimated that the United States spent approximately $954 billion on its military.

The entire world spent about $2.887 trillion.

The United States alone accounted for roughly one-third of global military expenditure.

And we're still told to have a serious national conversation about why ordinary Americans aren't economically secure without putting war at the center of the conversation.

How?

“THAT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM”

Here's something funny I've noticed since reading Marx.

When communism produces a disaster, defenders sometimes say:

“That wasn't real communism.”

Capitalists laugh.

Then capitalism produces monopolies, regulatory capture, corporations influencing government, privatized profits and socialized losses, and defenders say:

“Well, that's crony capitalism. That's not real capitalism.”

Do you hear yourselves?

I'm not saying capitalism and Stalinism are morally equivalent.

They're not.

I'm saying both sides have developed a convenient rhetorical escape hatch.

When the system works, credit the system. When the system fails, declare that the system was never properly tried.

Maybe we should stop worshipping systems.

Maybe we should start auditing outcomes.

I am not a communist.

I am not interested in handing an authoritarian government control over every factory, farm, song, thought and fucking toothbrush.

But I'm also no longer interested in being told that questioning capitalism means I hate freedom.

I like markets.

I like creating something and selling it.

I'm literally making an album and planning to sell physical copies myself.

That's capitalism.

I also think a country where enormous numbers of people are financially fragile while trillions flow through a permanent military economy has a serious structural problem.

That's critique.

Apparently we're no longer allowed to hold both thoughts in our heads.

I can.

DID CAPITALISM EVER GET AN HONEST PERFORMANCE REVIEW WITH WAR DISTORTING THE FUCKING LEDGER?

Here's my question.

What if we've spent decades arguing over whether capitalism works while ignoring the extent to which American priorities have been shaped by perpetual war and militarized foreign policy?

How do you evaluate the economic system without discussing what the government chose to do with trillions of dollars?

I'm not saying take the $8 trillion and divide it by the population.

That's mathematically cute and economically simplistic.

The wars happened across decades.

Much of the spending was borrowed.

Dumping trillions directly into household bank accounts could create inflationary effects.

People would spend differently.

Government spending has multiplier effects.

Military spending supports jobs.

Some weapons are produced in American factories.

I understand all of that.

My question is about opportunity cost.

What else could even a fraction of these resources have done?

What if a trillion dollars had gone into modernizing America's electrical grid?

What if hundreds of billions had gone into medical debt relief?

Housing construction?

Public transportation?

Lead pipe replacement?

Mental health infrastructure?

Addiction treatment?

Veterans before they become homeless?

Small-business capital?

Emergency savings programs?

Domestic manufacturing that produces something other than another weapon to replace the weapon we sent somewhere else?

I'm not claiming every domestic program works.

Government can waste money without firing a missile.

Believe me.

I'm asking why war spending so often receives a different standard of scrutiny.

Tell Americans healthcare is expensive and suddenly everybody becomes a forensic accountant.

“How will we pay for it?”

Tell Americans college costs too much.

“How will we pay for it?”

Tell Americans housing is becoming unaffordable.

“How will we pay for it?”

A bridge is collapsing.

How will we pay for it?

People can't afford childcare.

How will we pay for it?

Then somebody says there's a new geopolitical threat 6,000 miles away and suddenly Congress discovers the fucking Venmo password.

BEFORE YOU TELL ME THERE'S NO MONEY, SHOW ME WHERE THE MONEY WENT

That is my position.

Before you tell working Americans they're irresponsible because they don't have enough savings, show me the national receipt.

Before you tell me capitalism has succeeded, tell me how we're measuring success.

GDP?

The stock market?

Billionaire wealth?

Corporate earnings?

Or whether a parent can survive a transmission failure without putting it on a credit card?

Before you tell me Marx was wrong about everything, explain why wealth and economic power repeatedly concentrate.

Before you tell me Marx was right about everything, explain the bodies produced by governments that claimed his ideological inheritance.

Before you tell me socialism is the answer, show me the safeguards against authoritarian power.

Before you tell me the free market is the answer, show me the free market that exists after corporations capture regulators, lobby lawmakers and receive government contracts worth billions.

And before either side starts another fucking ideological debate—

Tell me about the war.

Tell me about the $8 trillion.

Tell me about the future veterans' costs.

Tell me about the interest.

Tell me about Ukraine.

Tell me about Israel.

Tell me about Yemen.

Tell me about China.

Tell me about the contractors.

Tell me about the Pentagon's more than $14 trillion in spending during the first two decades after the Afghanistan war began.

Tell me why the United States accounts for about one-third of the world's military expenditure.

Then look at the American who can't comfortably absorb a $400 emergency and explain the system to him.

Then look at the 25-year-old who can't imagine buying a house and explain why he is stupid for questioning the system.

Maybe capitalism is the best foundation we've found.

Maybe Marx identified real diseases and prescribed dangerous medicine.

Maybe socialism contains tools worth using without becoming an authoritarian state.

Maybe the answer is a blended system better than the one we have now.

I don't know.

That's why I'm reading.

I'm reading Marx.

I'm reading Aleister Crowley.

I'm reading the books people tell me not to read.

I'm listening to people I disagree with.

Because I'm tired of receiving my opinions pre-chewed by people whose careers depend on keeping me angry at the other half of the country.

And now we have artificial intelligence entering the conversation.

Maybe AI shouldn't rule us.

I don't want to replace human oligarchs with an algorithmic king.

But give the machine the fucking spreadsheet.

Give it the budgets.

Give it the outcomes.

Give it the tax codes.

Give it the wages.

Give it the housing data.

Give it healthcare costs.

Give it military expenditures.

Give it 100 years of policy.

Tell it not to protect Marx.

Tell it not to protect capitalism.

Tell it not to protect Republicans.

Tell it not to protect Democrats.

Tell it to identify what worked, what failed, where the evidence is weak and what we're double-counting.

Then let human beings argue about values with the facts sitting naked on the table.

Because maybe our biggest problem isn't capitalism.

Maybe it isn't communism.

Maybe it isn't socialism.

Maybe our biggest problem is that we keep having ideological arguments while an entire permanent system of war sits in the corner with the national credit card.

And every few years it asks for a higher limit.

Maybe the people who benefited from yesterday's economy need to stop telling the people inheriting tomorrow's economy that everything is fine.

Maybe the younger generation isn't rejecting the American dream.

Maybe they're telling us they can't fucking find it.

And if that's true, the answer isn't to call them lazy.

The answer is to look at the books.

All of them.

War.

War.

War.

War.

There.

Now can we include it in the fucking debate?

Friday, June 12, 2026

Proof Trump Wrong On Iran War

If you read over these materials and still support war in Iran then we respectfully disagree. If anyone has 10 or less links making the opposite case, I will gladly look it over. ✌️ 

Beware the Iran ‘Pearl Harbor’ Moment - Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft https://share.google/JAN3Js9W146UqSGAK 

Iran's Ever Imminent Nukes: A History of Hysteria - Antiwar.com
https://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2010/05/04/irans-ever-imminent-nukes/ 

The Big Lie About Iran’s Support for Terrorism - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

Ron Paul on Iran, Mossadegh, War, Blowback and the Middle East
https://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/ron-paul/ 

Ex-intel official Joe Kent says Charlie Kirk once advised him against supporting Iran conflict
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/5791326-joe-kent-charlie-kirk-iran-war/amp/ 

The War Against Iran: Decades in the Making

How We Know the 7 Wars in 5 Years Plan Was Real | by Tam Hunt | Medium
https://tamhunt.medium.com/how-we-know-the-7-wars-in-5-years-plan-was-real-b17e97c5ae95 

America Persistently Seeks to Destabilize Iran and Undermine Tehran’s Regional Influence in the Middle East - Global Research
https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-persistently-seeks-to-destabilize-iran-and-undermine-tehrans-regional-influence-in-the-middle-east/5625541 

We Can Afford Reparations, Disability Benefits, and More — If We Stop Choosing War: How the War Economy and Cultural Subversion Keep Us Trapped

Wednesday, May 20, 2026

Thomas Massie LOSES To Epstein Class! Here’s What We CAN DO NOW! (Jimmy Dore)

Thomas Massie LOSES To Epstein Class! Here’s What We CAN DO NOW! (Jimmy Dore)


Jimmy reports that GOP Rep. Thomas Massie lost his congressional race in Kentucky after the Israel lobby, led by Miriam Adelson, spent over $32 million—shattering spending records—to defeat him, even thoug, as Trump himself noted, when directly asked Adelson refused to say whether she loves the United States or Israel more. He points out that voters under 55 overwhelmingly supported Massie, while the "Fox News geriatric crowd" over 55 voted for his opponent, suggesting the GOP will look radically different in the next presidential election as younger voters reject the Israel-first establishment.

Jimmy argues that the only nonviolent solution to our current crisis of democracy is for workers who are the "backbone of capitalism"—railroad workers, port workers, truck drivers, grocery store workers, and Amazon fulfillment workers—to stay home from work for several days or weeks, with a demand for publicly funded elections, campaign spending caps, and six-week election cycles. He adds that the same billionaires pushing AI data centers that eliminate jobs and build prisons for dissenters are now pushing a bipartisan anti-semitism bill that would censor speech critical of Israel, and that the system has become so oppressive that George Washington's words about armed resistance as a "last resort" are becoming newly relevant.




Very good summary of the wider situation by Dore who has learnt a lot in recent years. He's progressed a long way since waking up after all the Covid lies. He's on the same page as other alt media titans, when it comes to the economy and rule by oligarchs. I

[Posted at the SpookyWeather2 blog, May 21, 2026.]

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Thursday, April 9, 2026

Please Pardon Durk Mr. President!

Debunking the Debunkers: Art or Evidence? The Complex Case of Lil Durk and the Fight to Protect Artistic Freedom
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2024/12/art-or-evidence-complex-case-of-lil.html 

Debunking the Debunkers: Debunking Trap Lore Ross regarding rapper King Von being a serial killer and Lil Durk being guilty of homicide without a trial...
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2024/12/debunking-trap-lore-ross-contention.html

Thursday, April 2, 2026

Wednesday, March 18, 2026

National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent Resigns Over Iran War

National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent Resigns Over Iran War

Joe Kent, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, announced his resignation effective today.
Gateway Pundit

Monday, March 2, 2026

Bipartisan Revolt Targets Trump's War Powers After Massive Iran Strikes

Alert

Bipartisan Revolt Targets Trump's War Powers After Massive Iran Strikes

President Donald Trump's joint strikes with Israel against Iran have intensified a growing bipartisan push in Congress to rein in his war powers, with lawmakers in both parties demanding votes on resolutions aimed at limiting his authority to use military force in the region
Fox


Tuesday, February 24, 2026

500 Names Appearing in Public Epstein-Related Records

500 Names Appearing in Public Epstein-Related Records

Names appearing in publicly released information connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Inclusion does NOT imply wrongdoing, but it certainly puts suspicion on them. Studies show that sociopaths gravitate to positions of power. We've got to do better. 


Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 1
Donald Trump — Former President of the United States — 2
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 3
Kevin Spacey — Actor — 4
Chris Tucker — Actor and Comedian — 5
Naomi Campbell — Supermodel — 6
Ghislaine Maxwell — Associate of Epstein — 7
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 8
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 9
John Glenn — Former U.S. Senator and NASA Astronaut — 10
George Mitchell — Former U.S. Senator and Diplomat — 11
Bill Richardson — Former Governor of New Mexico and U.S. Ambassador — 12
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary and Harvard President — 13
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 14
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 15
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 16
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 17
Doug Band — Clinton Foundation Official — 18
Mark Middleton — Former Clinton White House Aide — 19
Ron Eppinger — Epstein Associate — 20

SECTION 2 — Names Appearing in Unsealed Court Documents
(Including filings and exhibits from cases such as Giuffre v. Maxwell and the criminal proceedings involving Ghislaine Maxwell.)
Important: Inclusion of a name below means the individual was mentioned in publicly released legal records. This does NOT imply accusation, guilt, or wrongdoing.
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 21
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 22
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 23
Donald Trump — Former President of the United States — 24
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 25
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 26
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 27
Leslie Wexner — Founder of L Brands — 28
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 29
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 30
Marvin Minsky — MIT Artificial Intelligence Pioneer — 31
George Mitchell — Former U.S. Senator — 32
Bill Richardson — Former Governor of New Mexico — 33
Thomas Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 34
Mortimer Zuckerman — Media Owner and Publisher — 35
Richard Branson — Founder of Virgin Group — 36
David Koch — Businessman and Philanthropist — 37
Bill Gates — Co-founder of Microsoft — 38
Stephen Hawking — Theoretical Physicist — 39
Marvin Bush — Businessman and Brother of President George W. Bush — 40
Jean-Luc Brunel — Founder of MC2 Model Management — 41
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 42
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 43
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 44
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 45
Annie Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 46
Maria Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 47
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 48
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 49
James Patterson — Author — 50
Woody Allen — Film Director — 51
Alec Baldwin — Actor — 52
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 53
Michael Jackson — Musician — 54
David Copperfield — Magician and Entertainer — 55
Tom Barrack — Real Estate Investor — 56
Jeffrey Katzenberg — Film Producer and Media Executive — 57
George Lucas — Film Director and Creator of Star Wars — 58
Dustin Hoffman — Actor — 59
Ralph Fiennes — Actor — 60
Leslie Wexner — Founder of L Brands and Victoria’s Secret — 61
Mortimer Zuckerman — Media Owner and Publisher — 62
David Rockefeller — Former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank — 63
Richard Branson — Founder of Virgin Group — 64
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 65
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 66
Ivana Trump — Businesswoman and Former Wife of Donald Trump — 67
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 68
Melania Trump — Former First Lady of the United States — 69
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 70
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 71
Sarah Ferguson — Duchess of York — 72
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 73
Ehud Olmert — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 74
Shimon Peres — Former President of Israel — 75
Benjamin Netanyahu — Prime Minister of Israel — 76
Tony Blair — Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom — 77
Bill Gates — Co-founder of Microsoft — 78
Melinda Gates — Philanthropist and Former Co-chair of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — 79
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 80
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 81
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 82
Jeffrey Katzenberg — Media Executive and Film Producer — 83
Steven Spielberg — Film Director and Producer — 84
George Lucas — Film Director and Producer — 85
Dustin Hoffman — Actor — 86
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 87
David Koch — Businessman and Philanthropist — 88
Charles Koch — Businessman and Industrialist — 89
Rupert Murdoch — Media Executive, News Corporation — 90
Ted Kennedy — Former U.S. Senator — 91
John Kerry — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 92
Henry Kissinger — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 93
Madeleine Albright — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 94
Colin Powell — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 95
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 96
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 97
Tom Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 98
Penny Pritzker — Former U.S. Secretary of Commerce — 99
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Environmental Attorney and Political Figure — 100
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 101
David Copperfield — Magician and Entertainer — 102
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 103
Naomi Campbell — Supermodel — 104
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 105
Eric Trump — Businessman — 106
Maria Shriver — Journalist and Former First Lady of California — 107
Kerry Kennedy — Human Rights Activist — 108
Ethel Kennedy — Humanitarian and Widow of Robert F. Kennedy — 109
Ted Turner — Founder of CNN — 110
Anderson Cooper — Journalist and CNN Anchor — 111
Katie Couric — Journalist and Television Host — 112
Barbara Walters — Broadcast Journalist — 113
Diane Sawyer — Television Journalist — 114
George Stephanopoulos — Political Commentator and Former White House Communications Director — 115
Charlie Rose — Television Interviewer and Journalist — 116
Tom Brokaw — NBC News Anchor — 117
Brian Williams — NBC News Anchor — 118
Peter Jennings — ABC News Anchor — 119
Dan Rather — CBS News Anchor — 120
Mort Zuckerman — Media Proprietor and Publisher — 121
Conrad Black — Newspaper Publisher — 122
Sumner Redstone — Media Executive, Viacom — 123
Phil Spector — Music Producer — 124
Clive Davis — Music Executive and Producer — 125
Quincy Jones — Music Producer and Composer — 126
Harvey Weinstein — Film Producer — 127
Woody Allen — Film Director — 128
Roman Polanski — Film Director — 129
Martin Scorsese — Film Director — 130
Robert De Niro — Actor — 131
Al Pacino — Actor — 132
Jack Nicholson — Actor — 133
Warren Beatty — Actor and Director — 134
Dustin Hoffman — Actor — 135
Gene Hackman — Actor — 136
Sylvester Stallone — Actor — 137
Arnold Schwarzenegger — Actor and Former Governor of California — 138
Bruce Willis — Actor — 139
Sean Penn — Actor — 140
Leslie Wexner — Founder of L Brands and Victoria’s Secret — 141
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 142
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 143
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 144
Richard Branson — Founder of Virgin Group — 145
Bill Gates — Co-founder of Microsoft — 146
Melinda Gates — Philanthropist and Former Co-chair of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — 147
George Mitchell — Former U.S. Senator — 148
Bill Richardson — Former Governor of New Mexico — 149
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 150
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 151
Sarah Ferguson — Duchess of York — 152
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 153
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 154
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 155
Naomi Campbell — Supermodel — 156
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 157
Eric Trump — Businessman — 158
Ivana Trump — Businesswoman and Former Wife of Donald Trump — 159
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 160
Tom Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 161
Penny Pritzker — Former U.S. Secretary of Commerce — 162
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Environmental Attorney and Political Figure — 163
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 164
Ted Turner — Founder of CNN — 165
Anderson Cooper — Journalist and CNN Anchor — 166
Katie Couric — Journalist and Television Host — 167
Barbara Walters — Broadcast Journalist — 168
Diane Sawyer — Television Journalist — 169
George Stephanopoulos — Political Commentator and Former White House Communications Director — 170
Charlie Rose — Television Interviewer and Journalist — 171
Tom Brokaw — NBC News Anchor — 172
Brian Williams — NBC News Anchor — 173
Peter Jennings — ABC News Anchor — 174
Dan Rather — CBS News Anchor — 175
Mort Zuckerman — Media Proprietor and Publisher — 176
Conrad Black — Newspaper Publisher — 177
Sumner Redstone — Media Executive, Viacom — 178
Clive Davis — Music Executive and Producer — 179
Quincy Jones — Music Producer and Composer — 180
Phil Spector — Music Producer — 181
Harvey Weinstein — Film Producer — 182
Woody Allen — Film Director — 183
Roman Polanski — Film Director — 184
Martin Scorsese — Film Director — 185
Robert De Niro — Actor — 186
Al Pacino — Actor — 187
Jack Nicholson — Actor — 188
Warren Beatty — Actor and Director — 189
Sylvester Stallone — Actor — 190
Arnold Schwarzenegger — Actor and Former Governor of California — 191
Bruce Willis — Actor — 192
Sean Penn — Actor — 193
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 194
David Bowie — Musician — 195
Iggy Pop — Musician — 196
Madonna — Musician — 197
Prince — Musician — 198
Elton John — Musician — 199
Paul McCartney — Musician, The Beatles — 200
Leslie Wexner — Founder of L Brands and Victoria’s Secret — 201
David Koch — Businessman and Philanthropist — 202
Charles Koch — Businessman and Industrialist — 203
Rupert Murdoch — Media Executive, News Corporation — 204
Ted Kennedy — Former U.S. Senator — 205
John Kerry — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 206
Henry Kissinger — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 207
Madeleine Albright — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 208
Colin Powell — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 209
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 210
Les Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 211
Ehud Olmert — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 212
Shimon Peres — Former President of Israel — 213
Benjamin Netanyahu — Prime Minister of Israel — 214
Tony Blair — Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom — 215
Kofi Annan — Former UN Secretary-General — 216
Bill Richardson — Former Governor of New Mexico — 217
George Mitchell — Former U.S. Senator — 218
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 219
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 220
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 221
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 222
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 223
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 224
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 225
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 226
Annie Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 227
Maria Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 228
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 229
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 230
James Patterson — Author — 231
Tom Barrack — Real Estate Investor — 232
Jeffrey Katzenberg — Film Producer and Media Executive — 233
George Lucas — Film Director and Creator of Star Wars — 234
Dustin Hoffman — Actor — 235
Ralph Fiennes — Actor — 236
Alec Baldwin — Actor — 237
Kevin Spacey — Actor — 238
Chris Tucker — Actor — 239
Naomi Campbell — Model — 240
Prince William — Duke of Cambridge, British Royal Family — 241
Prince Harry — Duke of Sussex, British Royal Family — 242
Camilla Parker Bowles — Duchess of Cornwall — 243
Sarah Ferguson — Duchess of York — 244
Queen Elizabeth II — British Monarch — 245
King Charles III — British Monarch — 246
Leslie Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 247
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 248
Bill Gates — Co-founder of Microsoft — 249
Melinda Gates — Philanthropist and Former Co-chair of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — 250
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 251
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 252
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 253
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 254
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 255
Eric Trump — Businessman — 256
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 257
Ivana Trump — Businesswoman and Former Wife of Donald Trump — 258
Rupert Murdoch — Media Executive, News Corporation — 259
Sumner Redstone — Media Executive, Viacom — 260
Mortimer Zuckerman — Media Proprietor and Publisher — 261
Conrad Black — Newspaper Publisher — 262
Ted Turner — Founder of CNN — 263
Anderson Cooper — Journalist and CNN Anchor — 264
Katie Couric — Journalist and Television Host — 265
Charlie Rose — Television Interviewer and Journalist — 266
Tom Brokaw — NBC News Anchor — 267
Brian Williams — NBC News Anchor — 268
Peter Jennings — ABC News Anchor — 269
Dan Rather — CBS News Anchor — 270
Clive Davis — Music Executive and Producer — 271
Quincy Jones — Music Producer and Composer — 272
Phil Spector — Music Producer — 273
Harvey Weinstein — Film Producer — 274
Woody Allen — Film Director — 275
Martin Scorsese — Film Director — 276
Roman Polanski — Film Director — 277
Robert De Niro — Actor — 278
Al Pacino — Actor — 279
Jack Nicholson — Actor — 280
Mark Middleton — Former Clinton White House Aide — 281
Doug Band — Clinton Foundation Official — 282
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 283
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 284
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 285
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 286
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 287
Annie Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 288
Maria Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 289
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 290
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 291
Leslie Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 292
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 293
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 294
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 295
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 296
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 297
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 298
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 299
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 300
Bill Richardson — Former Governor of New Mexico — 301
George Mitchell — Former U.S. Senator — 302
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 303
Ehud Olmert — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 304
Shimon Peres — Former President of Israel — 305
Benjamin Netanyahu — Prime Minister of Israel — 306
Tony Blair — Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom — 307
Madeleine Albright — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 308
Henry Kissinger — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 309
Colin Powell — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 310
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 311
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 312
Ted Kennedy — Former U.S. Senator — 313
John Kerry — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 314
Tom Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 315
Penny Pritzker — Former U.S. Secretary of Commerce — 316
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Environmental Attorney and Political Figure — 317
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 318
Eric Trump — Businessman — 319
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 320
Mortimer Zuckerman — Media Proprietor and Publisher — 321
Conrad Black — Newspaper Publisher — 322
Sumner Redstone — Media Executive, Viacom — 323
Rupert Murdoch — Media Executive, News Corporation — 324
Ted Turner — Founder of CNN — 325
Anderson Cooper — Journalist and CNN Anchor — 326
Katie Couric — Journalist and Television Host — 327
Barbara Walters — Broadcast Journalist — 328
Diane Sawyer — Television Journalist — 329
George Stephanopoulos — Political Commentator and Former White House Communications Director — 330
Charlie Rose — Television Interviewer and Journalist — 331
Tom Brokaw — NBC News Anchor — 332
Brian Williams — NBC News Anchor — 333
Peter Jennings — ABC News Anchor — 334
Dan Rather — CBS News Anchor — 335
Clive Davis — Music Executive and Producer — 336
Quincy Jones — Music Producer and Composer — 337
Phil Spector — Music Producer — 338
Harvey Weinstein — Film Producer — 339
Woody Allen — Film Director — 340
Martin Scorsese — Film Director — 341
Roman Polanski — Film Director — 342
Robert De Niro — Actor — 343
Al Pacino — Actor — 344
Jack Nicholson — Actor — 345
Warren Beatty — Actor and Director — 346
Sylvester Stallone — Actor — 347
Arnold Schwarzenegger — Actor and Former Governor of California — 348
Bruce Willis — Actor — 349
Sean Penn — Actor — 350
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 351
David Bowie — Musician — 352
Iggy Pop — Musician — 353
Madonna — Musician — 354
Prince — Musician — 355
Elton John — Musician — 356
Paul McCartney — Musician, The Beatles — 357
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 358
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 359
Naomi Campbell — Supermodel — 360
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 361
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 362
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 363
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 364
Bill Gates — Co-founder of Microsoft — 365
Melinda Gates — Philanthropist and Former Co-chair of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — 366
Leslie Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 367
David Koch — Businessman and Philanthropist — 368
Charles Koch — Businessman and Industrialist — 369
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 370
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 371
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 372
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 373
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 374
Jeffrey Katzenberg — Film Producer and Media Executive — 375
Tom Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 376
Penny Pritzker — Former U.S. Secretary of Commerce — 377
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Environmental Attorney and Political Figure — 378
Ivana Trump — Businesswoman and Former Wife of Donald Trump — 379
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 380
Eric Trump — Businessman — 381
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 382
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 383
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 384
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 385
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 386
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 387
Annie Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 388
Maria Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 389
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 390
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 391
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 392
David Bowie — Musician — 393
Iggy Pop — Musician — 394
Madonna — Musician — 395
Prince — Musician — 396
Elton John — Musician — 397
Paul McCartney — Musician, The Beatles — 398
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 399
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 400
Mort Zuckerman — Media Proprietor and Publisher — 401
Conrad Black — Newspaper Publisher — 402
Sumner Redstone — Media Executive, Viacom — 403
Rupert Murdoch — Media Executive, News Corporation — 404
Ted Turner — Founder of CNN — 405
Anderson Cooper — Journalist and CNN Anchor — 406
Katie Couric — Journalist and Television Host — 407
Barbara Walters — Broadcast Journalist — 408
Diane Sawyer — Television Journalist — 409
George Stephanopoulos — Political Commentator and Former White House Communications Director — 410
Charlie Rose — Television Interviewer and Journalist — 411
Tom Brokaw — NBC News Anchor — 412
Brian Williams — NBC News Anchor — 413
Peter Jennings — ABC News Anchor — 414
Dan Rather — CBS News Anchor — 415
Clive Davis — Music Executive and Producer — 416
Quincy Jones — Music Producer and Composer — 417
Phil Spector — Music Producer — 418
Harvey Weinstein — Film Producer — 419
Woody Allen — Film Director — 420
Martin Scorsese — Film Director — 421
Roman Polanski — Film Director — 422
Robert De Niro — Actor — 423
Al Pacino — Actor — 424
Jack Nicholson — Actor — 425
Warren Beatty — Actor and Director — 426
Sylvester Stallone — Actor — 427
Arnold Schwarzenegger — Actor and Former Governor of California — 428
Bruce Willis — Actor — 429
Sean Penn — Actor — 430
Naomi Campbell — Supermodel — 431
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 432
Courtney Love — Musician and Actress — 433
Donald Trump Jr. — Businessman — 434
Eric Trump — Businessman — 435
Ivanka Trump — Businesswoman — 436
Ivana Trump — Businesswoman and Former Wife of Donald Trump — 437
Tom Pritzker — Executive Chairman of Hyatt Hotels — 438
Penny Pritzker — Former U.S. Secretary of Commerce — 439
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Environmental Attorney and Political Figure — 440
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 441
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 442
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 443
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 444
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 445
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 446
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 447
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 448
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 449
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 450
Leslie Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 451
David Koch — Businessman and Philanthropist — 452
Charles Koch — Businessman and Industrialist — 453
Ehud Barak — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 454
Ehud Olmert — Former Prime Minister of Israel — 455
Shimon Peres — Former President of Israel — 456
Benjamin Netanyahu — Prime Minister of Israel — 457
Tony Blair — Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom — 458
Madeleine Albright — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 459
Henry Kissinger — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 460
Colin Powell — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 461
Ted Kennedy — Former U.S. Senator — 462
John Kerry — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 463
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 464
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 465
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 466
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 467
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 468
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 469
Annie Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 470
Maria Farmer — Epstein Accuser — 471
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 472
Mick Jagger — Musician, Rolling Stones Frontman — 473
David Bowie — Musician — 474
Iggy Pop — Musician — 475
Madonna — Musician — 476
Prince — Musician — 477
Elton John — Musician — 478
Paul McCartney — Musician, The Beatles — 479
Alec Baldwin — Actor and Producer — 480
Leslie Wexner — Billionaire Retailer — 481
Leon Black — Private Equity Executive, Apollo Global Management — 482
Glenn Dubin — Hedge Fund Manager — 483
Eva Andersson-Dubin — Physician and Former Miss Sweden — 484
Larry Summers — Former U.S. Treasury Secretary — 485
Bill Clinton — Former President of the United States — 486
Donald Trump — Businessman and Former U.S. President — 487
Prince Andrew — Duke of York, British Royal Family — 488
Alan Dershowitz — Harvard Law Professor and Attorney — 489
Michael Bloomberg — Former Mayor of New York City — 490
George Soros — Investor and Philanthropist — 491
Ted Kennedy — Former U.S. Senator — 492
John Kerry — Former U.S. Secretary of State — 493
Jean-Luc Brunel — Modeling Agent — 494
Nadia Marcinkova — Epstein Associate and Pilot — 495
Sarah Kellen — Epstein Assistant — 496
Johanna Sjoberg — Former Epstein Employee — 497
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein Associate — 498
Virginia Giuffre — Epstein Accuser and Plaintiff — 499
Jeffrey Epstein — Financier and Convicted Sex Offender — 500

Sources for This List
Flight Logs / Passenger Manifests
U.S. District Court filings — unsealed flight logs of Jeffrey Epstein’s private planes (“Lolita Express”)
Court Filings
Giuffre v. Maxwell, Southern District of New York, Civil Action No. 1:15-cv-07433
Related civil suits and depositions involving Epstein, Maxwell, and other plaintiffs
Epstein “Black Book” / Contact Directory
Epstein’s personal contact book, as reported in media coverage and verified documents
Examples: New York Daily News coverage, Miami Herald reporting, other verified media sources
Media Reports & Investigations
Miami Herald — “Perversion of Justice” investigative series (2018)
Politifact — fact-checking of circulated Epstein lists: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/01/instagram-posts/we-fact-checked-a-years-old-epstein-list-with-166/�
Epstein Exposed — publicly indexed flight logs and contact lists: https://epsteinexposed.com�
Document Archives & Research Portals
Publicly released court exhibits (e.g., 662-RR and other civil filings)
Archive collections reporting verified contact book entries and flight logs